Lifting for Weight Loss

topic posted Wed, August 10, 2005 - 10:42 PM by  Unsubscribed
I wanted to get some input on putting together a lifting program to replace the all body circuit I'm on now. It's been a successful 6 weeks but my current program is getting really stale (Squat, Bench/Incline, Row/pullup, DB overhead press, upright row, dips, leg ext., bicep curls, leg curls). I ususally run the circuit 2 times all for reps between 8-10 with 30 sec btwn lifts. I then supplement with abs workout 2 x a week and cardio 3x a week.

My goal is still weight loss and due to my lowered caloric intake I don't think much hypertrophy is going on or is possible. I'd like to keep everything the same, but change the circuit either to a split or at least change the "logic" of this particular circuit to keep things fresh.

Any suggestions?

As a sidenote, I've really upped the poundage on the squats and have been feeling really pukinsh and light headed afterwards. I've experienced this before but it usually goes away with 1-2 minutes rest, however, this really messes up the circuit because I'm only allowing myself 30 seconds rest and end up on the bench feeling really weak and spacey. Ideas?
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    Re: Lifting for Weight Loss

    Thu, August 11, 2005 - 2:14 AM
    Feeling "pukish" and light headed may mean you are lifting too much right now for what your body is ready for, and also that you are dhydrated.
    If you are looking fro weight loss rather than muscle bulk, you would be better off keeping to higher reps at lower weight.
    You will need to change your programme anyway every 4 to 6 weeks as if you continue doing the same thing for longer, you remain in a state of maintenance, rather than an actual training effect witha view to weightloss.
    Cardio 3xtime a week will definitely help towards weight loss,. but again, akke sure you are doing something different in this programme every 4 to 6 weeks also.
    To keep your metabolism high, drink some fruit juice or have some fruit within 30 mins of finishing your work out - and eat within the next 2 hours. Your metabolic rate stays boosted for longer after a resistance workout than after an aerobic one, but you definitely need to include the aerobics.
    You don't have to do an all body circuit for weights, you can do PHF programme (Peripheral heart flow) this will help you to focus more on specific muscles and you won't need as much time, but it will also include the CV system to a better extent.
    Many men fail to recognise the benefits of Pilates also. If you are looking for tone rather than bulk, then you ma want to look into Pilates. It boosts your strength (core training but affects the global msucles also - highly beneficial) but rather than the muscles becoming short and thick as with traditional weight training, the muscles become longer and leaner, but yes, strength is increased.
    Hope this helps!
    Caz
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      Re: Lifting for Weight Loss

      Thu, August 11, 2005 - 3:52 PM
      Thnx for the response Caz.

      ''You don't have to do an all body circuit for weights, you can do PHF programme (Peripheral heart flow) this will help you to focus more on specific muscles and you won't need as much time, but it will also include the CV system to a better extent. "

      I'm unfamiliar with the term "PHF" can you explain or provide a reputable link.

      "Many men fail to recognise the benefits of Pilates also. If you are looking for tone rather than bulk, then you ma want to look into Pilates. "

      Unfortunately, I've been blessed with the classic troll body (shorter big legs, long wide torso, and skinny gorilla arms). For the last 2 years I've been trying to increase my upper body size and strength to be proportional to my lower body. My present purpose in losing weight bofyfat is to get a look see at what is beneath my extra meats. What I'm finding though is that i'm getting a nicer leaner upper body, but much more bulky muscular lower body.
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    Thu, August 11, 2005 - 12:22 PM
    Hi Spartacus:

    you have several issues here worth addressing.

    As for your feeling ill after squats:

    If you upped the weight significantly you might need more then 30 seconds between sets. How many reps are you going for? Is it less with the heavier resistance? Guys who go for low reps and heavy weight tend to take from one to several minutes between sets depending on their rep total to allow the lactic acid to dissipate and their strength to return. Also if you're doing several sets of squats you could start with less weight and more reps with 30 seconds between and as you up the weight increase the rest period.

    As for your goal:

    Is it weight loss or bodyfat loss? My assumption is that it's bodyfat you want to lose. You can lose significant bodyfat by building additional muscle since fat burns inside muscle tissue. This is due to the large number of mitochondria in a muscle cell. A pound of muscle burns about 50 calories a day. In order to build muscle don't overeat but don't undereat either.

    As For Your Workout:

    Changing your workout periodically makes sense though I disagree that it needs to be after a specific period of time. If you reach a plateau then a change in your routine would be appropriate. It might happen after 4-6 weeks or it could take longer. That depends on the individual. You brought up a split routine. I personally do a split routine as opposed to a full body workout and after a period of time many people make that switch.

    As For Your Choice Of Upright Rows:

    I'm not a big fan of them due to the high level of sheer it causes in your shoulder joint. At one point the National Academy Of Sports Medicine (NASM) was adamantly opposed to them. They've softened their stance but I'm still a bit leery. what's your goal in doing them? If it's to develop your upper traps then I'd suggest shrugs. They accomplish the goal with less wear and tear.

    Hope that helps and as always feel free to ask additional questions.

    Good Luck!

    Andy
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      Re: Lifting for Weight Loss

      Thu, August 11, 2005 - 3:23 PM
      Andy Wrote:

      "As for your feeling ill after squats:

      If you upped the weight significantly you might need more then 30 seconds between sets. How many reps are you going for? Is it less with the heavier resistance? Guys who go for low reps and heavy weight tend to take from one to several minutes between sets depending on their rep total to allow the lactic acid to dissipate and their strength to return. Also if you're doing several sets of squats you could start with less weight and more reps with 30 seconds between and as you up the weight increase the rest period."

      --Sorry about the confusion as to number of sets. I do one set per circuit, and two circuits per session, three times a week (6 sets total per week). Right now, its 245x8 on the first set with a little light headedness and 245x8 on the second set with a lot of pukishness. If I lower the poundadge on the second set to 205 I'm fine, but it just bothers me that I have to. (As a guideline, when I'm eating at or above maintenance I can get 315 x 5.)

      Andy wrote:

      "As for your goal:

      Is it weight loss or bodyfat loss? My assumption is that it's bodyfat you want to lose. You can lose significant bodyfat by building additional muscle since fat burns inside muscle tissue. This is due to the large number of mitochondria in a muscle cell. A pound of muscle burns about 50 calories a day. In order to build muscle don't overeat but don't undereat either."

      --You're right I meant bodyfat. I'm following the Abs diet, and not counting calories but have lost 10# in 6 weeks (now 211 from 221) about 15% BF.

      Andy Wrote:

      "As For Your Workout:

      Changing your workout periodically makes sense though I disagree that it needs to be after a specific period of time. If you reach a plateau then a change in your routine would be appropriate. It might happen after 4-6 weeks or it could take longer. That depends on the individual. You brought up a split routine. I personally do a split routine as opposed to a full body workout and after a period of time many people make that switch. "

      --I started doing an all body workout because I had read that doing a circuit would be good for weightloss (see Abs Diet book). My body can go another 2 weeks or so before poundage increases should stop. Generally, i'm just mentally tired of the routine. I've doing traditonal BB splits before, but am unsure how to structure one for weight loss. Do i just increase the reps?

      Andy Wrote:

      "As For Your Choice Of Upright Rows: "

      --I started to do them as a substitue to db shrugs mainly because my weak grip strength was limiting the reps i could do with shrugs. (I also don't like carrying around straps.) For some reason, i haven't been able to build up enough grip strength even with a lot of deadlifting.

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